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September 13th, 2004

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12:52 pm - Question for those familiar with education in the UK (and Australia ?)
In Australia, the "standard" University Bachelors degree consists of three years of study. Gaining an Honours degree requires another year of study (and usually students need to achieve a minimum standard of results in their Bachelors to be accepted into Honours study).
I completed a standard B.Sc (Maths) (way back in 1990), and didn't do an Honours year.

Which of the following UK education levels best describes my qualification ?

Pass Bachelors
3rd Class Bachelors
Lower 2nd Class Bachelors
Upper 2nd Class Bachelors
1st Class Bachelors
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Date:September 13th, 2004 05:04 am (UTC)
It sounds like the 'standard' bachelors degree in Australia is equivalent to the one here, but what they call 'honours' we call a Masters degree.

Therefore it depends what grade you got in your degree which classification you fall into.
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Date:September 13th, 2004 05:06 am (UTC)
The degree classes are dependent on the mark you got on your exams/coursework, so I couldn't tell you offhand what grade your degree is equivalent to. Um, I can probably explain this somewhat more cogently, so if you have specific questions, ask.
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Date:September 13th, 2004 06:18 am (UTC)
even at our alma mater it varies: consider engineering and law hons, frex. also here getting an hons(iii) is widely regarded as a charity pass...
Date:September 14th, 2004 10:37 am (UTC)

one of the classes

You will need to sum your grades (as noted above). Look at your trascript. (for a job application, this should be sufficient without a classification):

Average of pass (2) : 3rd class (45-55%)
average of pass (1) : 2.2 (lower 2nd class) (55-65%)
average of credit : 2.1 (upper 2nd class) (65-75%)
average of distinction: 1st (75% +)

this roughly corresponds to 40-50%, 50-60%, 60-70% and 70%+ for the british classifications. Some places, like the open university, only award 1st if you do not only average 70+, but score first class marks in all final year subjects - so you could always get a 2.1 with a 1st class average. Be aware also that the scottish university system is quite different from the engish/welsh system, both in style and length of degrees.

As mentioned also above, the postgraduate australian honours degree is equivalent to a UK masters degree by research (similar entry, same style of course). Many places in the UK, however, do not seem to understand this, so if it is an issue (not in this case), press the point.
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Date:September 14th, 2004 09:51 pm (UTC)

Re: one of the classes

So, an Australian Masters (usually Honours + 1 year or bachelors + 2 years) is equivalent to? ...
Date:September 15th, 2004 12:15 am (UTC)

Re: one of the classes

Is equivalent to MPhil (at least in science).
Date:September 17th, 2004 04:04 pm (UTC)

Re: one of the classes

i have experienced the same reaction to MY honours degree (got a high 2.1) when i reached the UK. Fact is, it IS EXACTLY like a master's degree, and you DO have to press the point. The proof is in the pudding though: if i want to go back and continue further study at university, i go straight to a PhD without having to muck around with a masters in=between. If you have a high hons degree (ie 2.1 or a 1st) you don't do a master's at all. They consider you have 'done your time' and are ready for the big league.

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